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Monday, September 28, 2015

Neato Botvac Lidar Repair Part 2: Lidar PCB Replacement

So the final fix will be replacing Lidar turret. But as I said in the part 1 of Neato Botvac Lidar Repair I could not find Botvac Lidar turret to replace. But there are many XV Lidar turrets available on eBay and Amazon.
And they are different. XV series turret has mechanical data and power connection between spinning turret head and base using sliding contacts. This is major point of failure of XV series turrets. And Botvac turret has optical data connection to the base and wireless power, so no contacts would fail. Well how do we replace the Botvac turret using XV series turret if they are not compatible?

Let's take them apart and compare. I removed housing from both units.
As you can see there is a bit different lens and different laser diode housing.

The same 3 wires from laser diode and 5 wires from Lidar PCB soldered to the base. Also a note, that connector for a laser diode may go loose because of rotating vibrations and such. This is a point of failure which cause "can not see" errors. Easy to fix though, just pull it out and reseat. Also cleaning might help, and also metal pins inside laser wire part can be loosen and should be squeezed to sit tighter in the pcb connector.

This is how data and power transferred to Lidar PCB. XV one has rotary sliding connections. And Botvac one has optical data feed and power transfer inductor coil (like wireless Qi charging). There is another coil inside Botvac which produces power and this coil on the Lidar base pcb is receiving power.

Here on the Botvac Lidar base pcb you can clearly see ir detector diode to receive data and ir led to send data back to Botvac. Also there is diode bridge with linear voltage regulator ic to convert AC power from coil to DC power needed for Lidar.

OK, here is a main part. I desoldered Lidar PCBs from bases. Take a closer look. What do you see? Yes, they are exactly the same. They have the same revision/model number and date. So they should be interchangeable. Botvac one has flux residue all over the place because I was retouching it like there was no tomorrow.
They may have different firmware version though. I actually forgot to check that. Because when I soldered Lidar PCB from XV to the base PCB from Botvac and run tests, it just works. Here what the output looks like with working Lidar turret. No 8055 error codes. There was several 8035 errors, but it is because turret head cap has "legs" which cause Lidar to think that something is too close. But robot "knows" about turret cap and ignores that errors.

And this is how bright laser diode should look like through IR webcam.
Much brighter than on the picture from part 1, isn't it?
Botvac is fixed and works pretty fine since then.


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    1. Well, I could not find a laser diode replacement and it is not reliable to replace it because it needs to be focused correctly.
      I replaced whole pcb with laser diode and lens, took it from XV lidar, but I have to keep my base pcb because Botvac is different to XV.
      You can just buy a lidar unit as laser diodes are not available.

    2. I was reading your blog on the Bluetooth obd2 sensor. I own a company that uses these sensors. It will connect and reconnect about 5 times using the Apple phone. Then, it won’t connect again. My android app works flawlessly. Any suggestions?
      Thank you for your help!

  3. I was wondering if you know the range of the Botvac's lidar? The XV models seem to be roughly 6 meters. I've been working with a Botvac lidar unit. The distance readings are very solid and low noise but only seem to extend to around 60 to 70cm (about 2ft). Do you know if this is typical for that model?

    1. Well, I have not tested it. But as you can see from the article I have installed laser and it's driver from XV to Botvac. Driver circuit is the same, so I guess the power should be the same too. But Botvac uses induction power transfer to the spinning head instead of sliding contacts on XV head. Sliding contacts can deliver more power, so in theory Botvac laser power can be limited. But it needs to be tested to be sure. Laser power is in mW range and it is not that much, linear camera needs more than laser probably.

  4. Thank you. You saved my neato - I was allowed to repair mine because of your precise informations.

  5. hi, great information,
    can you tell me, only if you know,the Laser type and the lens type?

  6. Very nicely done! I just recently took apart a Neato Botvac and was pleasantly surprised to see the IR communication and removal of the slip-ring. I was also surprised that the LDS Piccolo board was not changed at all, guess it's a great design that can't be optimized much further.

  7. Can we move the neato xv 11 from one point to another using the getldsscan data. Is it possible?.. Looking forward your reply.

    1. You obviously can control movement by turning motors on an off. But there is no command to move from one point to another. You have to get data from the scanner and then decide what to do with motors and when.